You guys are aware that PHP 5.2 is most likely the most widely used version of PHP out there? So just dropping it cold turkey is a poor idea, other versions of Wincache were compiled to support PHP 5.2, this just sounds like eh we tried, wont work, we give
up.
It might be, but when the product itself is not supported anymore, it doesn't make sense to spend time on building extensions for it.
That said, I understand many business will probably don't want to migrate for other reasons, and if there is enough requests, we'll make the patch available for 5.2.
But you just said you couldn't? So which is it? Can't or don't want to, or too lazy too? The Pontiac G6 is not made anymore, but it is an extremely popular car, so GM keeps making parts for it...
I could see a few years down the road, but Wincache is new, and PHP 5.2 just recently went dark on development, its not like PHP 4 and many many years out of support.
This is EXACTLY why we completely dropped Microsoft products and went to Linux. APC is a stable solution and works very well, and has dedicated developers. Microsoft has no stability with products that don't earn them money (which I understand), but if you
are going to go through with it a make a product, and advertise it, and market it, why stop supporting it? Why stop development on it? This project (and the WebsitePanel) project just magically kill developers, "going on vacations" that never end, "moving
to other projects" and other excuses. You cannot make a product, gear it towards business use, and then just say eh and leave it.
Are you kidding me? No, you and I dont have enough resources. Microsoft has PLENTY of resources. They just dont give a crap to support something that costs them money, but does not earn them anything.
They could easily roll this into the IIS team (since this is related to PHP and FastCGI, and PHP / FastCGI coincides with IIS) and get development rolling and get new features / fixes out the door.
Just as the SQLSRV extensions could be handled by the SQL Server team.
I still truly and honestly believe Wincache, FastCGI, and SQL Server extensions for PHP was nothing more than a marketing stunt, a PR stunt to get Server 2008 and SQL Server 2008 hyped up, and to gain market share with IIS 7. Now that Server 2008 is out
the door and old news, they dont care. They did the same thing with DotNetPanel, Server 2008 / IIS7 came out, they bought it, now... It's a Google+ virtual ghost town of Microsoft support. (scratch that, support is available in typical Microsoft fashion, you
want it, PAY for it).
Like "oh we did most of the work". Here is your brand new car, but you have to put the wheels on, add oil, you may need to fix some alignment issues etc. If you want us to do it, you have to pay, or complain enough to them that they finally go OK FINE, we
will do the alignment for you, BUT that is it.
I am not trying to be mean, but Microsoft really did a number on their users. You guys have always had a decent track record with support, but this time, you tossed out the pretty rug, waited for everyone to jump on it, then ripped it out from under us.
We spent over 3 months developing a system around Wincache, Microsoft was all PHP rocks this, PHP is awesome on IIS7, Wincache this, Wincache that, even had live meetings and podcasts about how amazing Wincache is, we thought for sure this would be a good
investment, then everyone started taking infinite vacations and leaving the users to regret the decision.
You guys are lucky to have support from other members like @laurin1.
marcuslayton
14 Posts
Re: File locks/Drupal
Mar 01, 2012 03:57 PM|LINK
Would love to get a 5.2 version of this. The 1.2.614 for 5.2 has a couple of known bugs.
jennylaw
31 Posts
Re: File locks/Drupal
Mar 01, 2012 04:49 PM|LINK
PHP5.2 is no longer supported. I had tried to build the patch for wincache for php 5.2, but wasn't successful. Do you have plans to migrate to 5.3 ?
marcuslayton
14 Posts
Re: File locks/Drupal
Mar 01, 2012 05:04 PM|LINK
we do now :)
thanks for the response!
echoDreamz
58 Posts
Re: File locks/Drupal
Mar 01, 2012 05:09 PM|LINK
You guys are aware that PHP 5.2 is most likely the most widely used version of PHP out there? So just dropping it cold turkey is a poor idea, other versions of Wincache were compiled to support PHP 5.2, this just sounds like eh we tried, wont work, we give up.
Best Windows Hosting I have used!
jennylaw
31 Posts
Re: File locks/Drupal
Mar 01, 2012 05:19 PM|LINK
It might be, but when the product itself is not supported anymore, it doesn't make sense to spend time on building extensions for it.
That said, I understand many business will probably don't want to migrate for other reasons, and if there is enough requests, we'll make the patch available for 5.2.
echoDreamz
58 Posts
Re: File locks/Drupal
Mar 01, 2012 05:22 PM|LINK
But you just said you couldn't? So which is it? Can't or don't want to, or too lazy too? The Pontiac G6 is not made anymore, but it is an extremely popular car, so GM keeps making parts for it...
I could see a few years down the road, but Wincache is new, and PHP 5.2 just recently went dark on development, its not like PHP 4 and many many years out of support.
This is EXACTLY why we completely dropped Microsoft products and went to Linux. APC is a stable solution and works very well, and has dedicated developers. Microsoft has no stability with products that don't earn them money (which I understand), but if you are going to go through with it a make a product, and advertise it, and market it, why stop supporting it? Why stop development on it? This project (and the WebsitePanel) project just magically kill developers, "going on vacations" that never end, "moving to other projects" and other excuses. You cannot make a product, gear it towards business use, and then just say eh and leave it.
Best Windows Hosting I have used!
laurin1
257 Posts
Re: File locks/Drupal
Mar 01, 2012 05:28 PM|LINK
echoDreamz
58 Posts
Re: File locks/Drupal
Mar 01, 2012 05:29 PM|LINK
Are you kidding me? No, you and I dont have enough resources. Microsoft has PLENTY of resources. They just dont give a crap to support something that costs them money, but does not earn them anything.
They could easily roll this into the IIS team (since this is related to PHP and FastCGI, and PHP / FastCGI coincides with IIS) and get development rolling and get new features / fixes out the door.
Just as the SQLSRV extensions could be handled by the SQL Server team.
I still truly and honestly believe Wincache, FastCGI, and SQL Server extensions for PHP was nothing more than a marketing stunt, a PR stunt to get Server 2008 and SQL Server 2008 hyped up, and to gain market share with IIS 7. Now that Server 2008 is out the door and old news, they dont care. They did the same thing with DotNetPanel, Server 2008 / IIS7 came out, they bought it, now... It's a Google+ virtual ghost town of Microsoft support. (scratch that, support is available in typical Microsoft fashion, you want it, PAY for it).
Like "oh we did most of the work". Here is your brand new car, but you have to put the wheels on, add oil, you may need to fix some alignment issues etc. If you want us to do it, you have to pay, or complain enough to them that they finally go OK FINE, we will do the alignment for you, BUT that is it.
Best Windows Hosting I have used!
jennylaw
31 Posts
Re: File locks/Drupal
Mar 01, 2012 05:35 PM|LINK
Fair enough. You have a point, its true that PHP5.2 wasn't out of support for long. I agree that we have to build a patch for this issue for PHP5.2.
echoDreamz
58 Posts
Re: File locks/Drupal
Mar 01, 2012 05:40 PM|LINK
Thank you Jenny.
I am not trying to be mean, but Microsoft really did a number on their users. You guys have always had a decent track record with support, but this time, you tossed out the pretty rug, waited for everyone to jump on it, then ripped it out from under us.
We spent over 3 months developing a system around Wincache, Microsoft was all PHP rocks this, PHP is awesome on IIS7, Wincache this, Wincache that, even had live meetings and podcasts about how amazing Wincache is, we thought for sure this would be a good investment, then everyone started taking infinite vacations and leaving the users to regret the decision.
You guys are lucky to have support from other members like @laurin1.
Best Windows Hosting I have used!