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• 12-13-2007, 11:23 AM

  brashquido Joined on 05-22-2006, 12:31 AM Australia Posts 351

  Opcode memory management incompatibility with MS FastCGI Reply Contact A while ago I attempted to configure the xCache opcode module for PHP with FastCGI to get a decent performance boost. However after discussions with the xCache devs it appears that Opcode PHP caches (open source ones anyway) are never going to be a really viable option with FastCGI on IIS because of the way xCache (and APC apparently) share the allocated memory between all the php-cgi.exe processes. The catch is that these caches only share the memory when additional php-cgi.exe processes are created as child processes of the original php-cgi.exe processs, which is not valid under IIS as all php-cgi.exe processes are created as children of the W3WP.exe process. The result this has is that the cache is cleared everytime a new PHP process is launched and the memory is not shared between them. Short of patching these Opcode caches does anyone have any idea of how (or if) this can be worked around? ---------------- Dominic Ryan Microsoft IIS MVP www.iis-aid.com My IIS articles My PHP articles My How-to guides

• 12-19-2007, 12:17 PM

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  thomad Joined on 08-20-2002, 3:28 PM Redmond Posts 551

  Re: Opcode memory management incompatibility with MS FastCGI Reply Contact Brashquido, This problem requires changes in the APC. We are working on this issue with the APC owners.     You can get some short term relief by setting InstanceMaxRequests to a very large number (and configuring the PHP_FCGI_MAX_REQUESTS server variable to a matching number.)  This will cause the php-cgi.exe processes to live a long time.  We are testing routinely with 10,000 requests per process lifetime without issues, and we have also tested to 100,000 requests per lifetime and not seen any instability in PHP itself.  As long as your application code doesn’t introduce problems, this should work for you.   Hope this helps   Thomas Deml Program Manager Internet Information Services Microsoft Corp. http://blogs.iis.net/thomad

• 12-19-2007, 5:56 PM

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  brashquido Joined on 05-22-2006, 12:31 AM Australia Posts 351

  Re: Opcode memory management incompatibility with MS FastCGI Reply Contact Thanks for the reply Thomas, I thought as much. Very exciting news that you've been speaking with the APC devs though. Think I'll stick with ISAPI for the minute as I'm not having any issues with the extensions I'm using and APC is seeming quite stable.     ---------------- Dominic Ryan Microsoft IIS MVP www.iis-aid.com My IIS articles My PHP articles My How-to guides

• 12-20-2007, 9:21 AM

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  brashquido Joined on 05-22-2006, 12:31 AM Australia Posts 351	Re: Opcode memory management incompatibility with MS FastCGI Reply Contact For anybody else hitting this issue I've created a bug report against the APC project here; http://pecl.php.net/bugs/bug.php?id=12735 ---------------- Dominic Ryan Microsoft IIS MVP www.iis-aid.com My IIS articles My PHP articles My How-to guides

• 12-20-2007, 9:23 AM

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  brashquido Joined on 05-22-2006, 12:31 AM Australia Posts 351	Re: Opcode memory management incompatibility with MS FastCGI Reply Contact This is also explained a bit better than what I have here in the xCache FAQ;  http://xcache.lighttpd.net/wiki/Faq#Iseejumpyhitsinadminpage ---------------- Dominic Ryan Microsoft IIS MVP www.iis-aid.com My IIS articles My PHP articles My How-to guides

• 01-19-2008, 9:57 AM

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  mattp Joined on 03-13-2007, 7:17 PM Posts 3	Re: Opcode memory management incompatibility with MS FastCGI Reply Contact  Really glad to hear you're working with APC devs to resolve this issue.  Any thoughts on when the it might be resolved?  Also, thanks for the tip on a work around of sorts ... I'm looking forward to giving it a whirl.

• 01-22-2008, 11:59 AM

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  mattp Joined on 03-13-2007, 7:17 PM Posts 3	Re: Opcode memory management incompatibility with MS FastCGI Reply Contact I updated apc to the latest build from PECL4WIN and made used the fastcgi config changes above and I haven't seen a 500 error so far.  Thanks for the tip!    Update: Doh ... APC wasn't loading so I had to revert.

• 07-09-2008, 10:32 PM

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  canadaka Joined on 08-17-2006, 11:10 PM Vancouver, Canada Posts 85	Re: Opcode memory management incompatibility with MS FastCGI Reply Contact I am wondering if there is any updates to this? Support for APC, Xcache or eAcclerator working properly in IIS7 using FastCGI. Canadian News | Politwitter.ca | Canadian Clothing

• 07-12-2008, 12:58 PM

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  brashquido Joined on 05-22-2006, 12:31 AM Australia Posts 351

  Re: Opcode memory management incompatibility with MS FastCGI Reply Contact Nothing as yet, at least not for APC. In the bug report I linked to above Rasmus (guy who created PHP and is a lead dev for APC) said they have not heard anything about implementing MS FastCGI support in APC. What's more there are no devs working on APC who used Windows/IIS, so it MS FastCGI support is not going to happen unless the IIS team are able to hand the required code to the APC dev team on a silver platter...  ---------------- Dominic Ryan Microsoft IIS MVP www.iis-aid.com My IIS articles My PHP articles My How-to guides

• 07-31-2008, 3:38 PM

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  StephenJII Joined on 12-12-2007, 1:33 PM Posts 28

  Re: Opcode memory management incompatibility with MS FastCGI Reply Contact The problem with Memory management in the Opcode cachers isn't limited to IIS. Their incompatability is related to FastCGI in general, not IIS in particular. The issue is they allocate memory for every PHP process, not PHP as a whole. The problem is exacerbated by IIS because it's FastCGI implementation spawns no children. However, the workaround on Apache and Lighttpd that makes APC, Eaccelerator "work" with FastCGI and I put work in quotes because it's still a hack IMO is to reduce the number of PHP processes to 1 or 2 then create a ton of children. The problem is, this causes one bad child to bring down all of the other children, thus reducing alot of the benefits of FastCGI in the first place which is process isolation. I just wanted to be clear that this issue should be addressed as an issue with the Opcode cachers as a whole on all platforms. IIS just makes their problem more obvious. -Stephen

• 01-12-2009, 8:12 AM

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  hydn Joined on 02-27-2008, 9:45 PM Posts 61	Re: Opcode memory management incompatibility with MS FastCGI Reply Contact  I also have been trying for a week to get eaccelerator to work with fastcgi php.  No luck. I cant find any how-tos on installing EA on thread safe php as fastcgi. I didn't even know possible.

• 01-17-2010, 7:25 AM

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  canadaka Joined on 08-17-2006, 11:10 PM Vancouver, Canada Posts 85	Re: Opcode memory management incompatibility with MS FastCGI Reply Contact  Has there been any updates or progress in getting APC working with FastCGI on IIS? Canadian News | Politwitter.ca | Canadian Clothing

• 01-18-2010, 3:22 AM

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  brashquido Joined on 05-22-2006, 12:31 AM Australia Posts 351	Re: Opcode memory management incompatibility with MS FastCGI Reply Contact I'd suggest you look at WinCache instead. ---------------- Dominic Ryan Microsoft IIS MVP www.iis-aid.com My IIS articles My PHP articles My How-to guides

• 01-18-2010, 5:48 AM

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  canadaka Joined on 08-17-2006, 11:10 PM Vancouver, Canada Posts 85	Re: Opcode memory management incompatibility with MS FastCGI Reply Contact  well look at that! I havn't really touched my servers since the summer, so I hadn't heard about this WinCache. Looks very interesting, I will try it out tommorow. Thanks for letting me know! Canadian News | Politwitter.ca | Canadian Clothing